Real stories, told by real people.
It sure is good to be back. I'm pleased to have another story to share with you. Hope all is well? Today Dr. Robert Bleck joins us, and he's got a story to tell.
To say Robert had a rough childhood would be an under statement. He was beaten, and abused physically and emotionally for many years under the hands of his own mother. Leading to deep wounds, After such trauma? How is one able to recover, heal, and still manage to enjoy a meaningful and fruitful life? A practicing psychotherapist, Dr. Robert Bleck is also here to talk about what's helped him and countless others heal from past emotional wounds.
Source Completion Therapy :
- Awareness - people learn to explore, examine, and become aware of the main source of their dysfunctional behavior.
- Relive, Re-experience, Release - An emotional experience in which individuals learn to relive and re-experience, in vivid details, the events, feelings, and circumstances related to their pain.
- Completion - people learn to directly and effectively confront those responsible for their pain.
And going a little further, Robert will detail each of the 3 phases in his Source Completion Therapy. Very practical, it's been tried, tested and proven to be effective. It can be done alone or with a professional. It was an honor to spend a little bit of time with Robert, and I'm delighted to introduce another GIANTS AMONGST US. Let's get into it, shall we?
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00:00:04 --> 00:00:13 I used to be a little boy So old in my shoes
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00:01:11 --> 00:01:17 now at episode number 54 my goodness It is good
00:01:17 --> 00:01:20 to be back. This is giants amongst us This is
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00:01:33 --> 00:01:38 yourself first of all As always, I hope you're
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00:01:41 --> 00:01:44 sure is good to be back. It's been a while. It's
00:01:44 --> 00:01:47 been a long minute. I had some things going on
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00:01:54 --> 00:01:57 mother she came over here to visit from California
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00:02:02 --> 00:02:05 so she was able to experience life on the other
00:02:05 --> 00:02:08 side over here my wife and I had her and we spent
00:02:08 --> 00:02:11 time together she was able to see some things
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00:02:31 --> 00:02:35 with people once again from all walks of life.
00:02:35 --> 00:02:39 so if this is your first time tuning into the
00:02:39 --> 00:02:43 show what we do here is we talk story you're
00:02:43 --> 00:02:47 going to hear people from all walks of life who
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00:03:16 --> 00:03:20 even reminders if you feel as if your life is
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00:03:30 --> 00:03:33 not incapable you're not powerless you're not
00:03:33 --> 00:03:37 some hackable animal this is something that needs
00:03:37 --> 00:03:41 to be part of our self -talk what we tell ourselves
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00:04:22 --> 00:04:25 a scary thing that's part of the reason why a
00:04:25 --> 00:04:28 lot of people run from it because with freedom
00:04:28 --> 00:04:32 comes responsibility with freedom comes accountability
00:04:32 --> 00:04:37 but that also gives way to us being able to realize
00:04:37 --> 00:04:40 and actualize potentials and possibilities that
00:04:40 --> 00:04:44 we never could have imagined But it's up to us
00:04:44 --> 00:04:47 to wake up to this way of living way of thinking
00:04:47 --> 00:04:51 way of acting way of moving way of Experiencing
00:04:51 --> 00:04:55 this freedom true freedom where nobody could
00:04:55 --> 00:04:58 tell us any different So with all that being
00:04:58 --> 00:05:00 said I think it's a good time to lead this into
00:05:00 --> 00:05:04 the conversation because our guest today is going
00:05:04 --> 00:05:07 to be talking about something that is Essential
00:05:07 --> 00:05:11 for us to be able to even experience true freedom
00:05:11 --> 00:05:16 how can we truly be free if we haven't cleansed
00:05:16 --> 00:05:19 ourselves if we haven't dealt with and we haven't
00:05:19 --> 00:05:23 healed from emotional wounds childhood scars
00:05:23 --> 00:05:26 and wounds things that we've encountered even
00:05:26 --> 00:05:30 as adults but that have been a part of our lives
00:05:30 --> 00:05:33 sometimes it could be an accumulation of things
00:05:33 --> 00:05:36 but that are undealt with but we're gonna get
00:05:36 --> 00:05:39 into all that today our guest is going to get
00:05:39 --> 00:05:43 into A little bit of the detail behind his source
00:05:43 --> 00:05:47 completion therapy, the awareness, the relive,
00:05:48 --> 00:05:52 re -experience and release and then the completion.
00:05:52 --> 00:05:55 Those are three phases of source completion therapy
00:05:55 --> 00:05:59 designed to cleanse and heal from emotional wounds.
00:06:00 --> 00:06:05 Today, Dr. Robert Bleck joins us and he's got
00:06:05 --> 00:06:10 a story to tell. So I was in bed and I must have
00:06:10 --> 00:06:12 been, I needed comfort in the middle of the night.
00:06:12 --> 00:06:15 So I walked into my parents bedroom. My mother
00:06:15 --> 00:06:17 didn't like to be in convenience. I woke her
00:06:17 --> 00:06:19 up and maybe I was crying. I needed some kind
00:06:19 --> 00:06:21 of comfort. She took me back, grabbed me back
00:06:21 --> 00:06:24 to my bed and tied me to the bed. The ropes went
00:06:24 --> 00:06:28 under the bed around my chest and they were tight
00:06:28 --> 00:06:33 and tight and tight. And I was terrified. I was
00:06:33 --> 00:06:36 thinking that I was going to be killed. I was...
00:06:36 --> 00:06:38 didn't know if I could get out of this. I was
00:06:38 --> 00:06:42 confused or I just wanted some comfort. Somebody
00:06:42 --> 00:06:46 was tying me up. So that was her creative side.
00:06:47 --> 00:06:49 She would also humiliate me, degrade me in front
00:06:49 --> 00:06:53 of people, shame me in many ways possible. For
00:06:53 --> 00:06:56 minor transgressions, maybe I spilled some milk,
00:06:56 --> 00:06:58 maybe coming into play, there was a little dirt
00:06:58 --> 00:07:00 on the rug and she was obsessed with cleaning.
00:07:01 --> 00:07:05 So I could be beat for that. Ladies and gentlemen,
00:07:05 --> 00:07:11 Without further ado, this is Robert and his story.
00:07:12 --> 00:07:15 Robert, I want to thank you once again for taking
00:07:15 --> 00:07:17 time out of your day. You could have been anywhere.
00:07:17 --> 00:07:19 You could have been doing anything, but you chose
00:07:19 --> 00:07:24 to have a sit down with us to share a conversation
00:07:24 --> 00:07:27 and to get into some of your knowledge and expertise
00:07:27 --> 00:07:30 and even your experiences that led you to where
00:07:30 --> 00:07:34 you are today. Robert, thank you again. How is
00:07:34 --> 00:07:37 it going? How are you doing? I'm doing terrific.
00:07:37 --> 00:07:40 And I want to say it's my honor and my pleasure
00:07:40 --> 00:07:43 to be with you today. Likewise, the pleasure
00:07:43 --> 00:07:45 is mine. The pleasure is mine. I mentioned this
00:07:45 --> 00:07:48 before we started recording. I said that this
00:07:48 --> 00:07:50 is something that I look forward to. This is
00:07:50 --> 00:07:53 one of the highlights of my day. So it's going
00:07:53 --> 00:07:56 to be good to finally connect with you. We shot
00:07:56 --> 00:07:59 a few emails back and forth, but now to hear
00:07:59 --> 00:08:02 you break down some of what you have going on,
00:08:02 --> 00:08:06 your line of work, some of the experiences that
00:08:06 --> 00:08:10 you went through as a child to lead you to the
00:08:10 --> 00:08:13 line of work that you're. you're in today, the
00:08:13 --> 00:08:16 field of work that you're in today and the great
00:08:16 --> 00:08:19 deed that you're doing. You have a book out just
00:08:19 --> 00:08:23 to bring in everything before I let you go ahead
00:08:23 --> 00:08:27 and share with us this three phase process. Let
00:08:27 --> 00:08:30 me slow down and pull up this information. I'm
00:08:30 --> 00:08:33 on your website right now and it's a self guided
00:08:33 --> 00:08:36 exploration. and the name of the book is give
00:08:36 --> 00:08:40 back the pain emotional healing through source
00:08:40 --> 00:08:42 completion therapy and you'll break down three
00:08:42 --> 00:08:45 of the phases today and we'll get into that but
00:08:45 --> 00:08:49 uh like for starters robert um i know you had
00:08:49 --> 00:08:53 your your own experiences in life that probably
00:08:53 --> 00:08:57 led you to where you're at today. So I'd just
00:08:57 --> 00:08:59 like you to, however you want to get into it,
00:08:59 --> 00:09:01 however in -depth you want to get into it and
00:09:01 --> 00:09:03 the specifics that you'd like to talk about,
00:09:03 --> 00:09:06 just what led you into this line of work for
00:09:06 --> 00:09:10 starters? Sure. So every piece, every part of
00:09:10 --> 00:09:15 my life had an important piece in leading me
00:09:15 --> 00:09:18 to where I am today. So what I'd like to do is
00:09:18 --> 00:09:22 start from the very beginning. My life, the early
00:09:22 --> 00:09:24 start of my life was very painful and very difficult.
00:09:26 --> 00:09:29 My mother, who was also abused as a child, she
00:09:29 --> 00:09:32 was filled with anxiety, she was filled with
00:09:32 --> 00:09:36 anger, she was filled with rage, and a great
00:09:36 --> 00:09:40 deal of that fury came out on me. Beginning when
00:09:40 --> 00:09:43 I was about three years old, my mother began
00:09:43 --> 00:09:47 to beat me. She would degrade me. She would humiliate
00:09:47 --> 00:09:49 me. She would shame me and all of those things
00:09:49 --> 00:09:52 seemed like they were occurring every day So
00:09:52 --> 00:09:55 I want I want to give some specifics about that
00:09:55 --> 00:09:57 if that's okay the beatings Yeah, no, no, go
00:09:57 --> 00:09:59 ahead. Okay, so so her beatings would take place
00:09:59 --> 00:10:02 Sometimes she used her hands her fists to punch
00:10:02 --> 00:10:06 me sometimes open open hands Sometimes she would
00:10:06 --> 00:10:09 find an object that was close to her like a shoe
00:10:09 --> 00:10:14 a hanger a belt She liked the belts because it
00:10:14 --> 00:10:16 would hurt me more. I was a little three -year
00:10:16 --> 00:10:19 -old, four -year -old, so she would hurt me.
00:10:19 --> 00:10:23 So she'd also get creative with her torment.
00:10:23 --> 00:10:27 One time, I know it was about three, because
00:10:27 --> 00:10:29 my sister wasn't born yet. I'm four years older
00:10:29 --> 00:10:33 than her. So I was in bed and I must have been,
00:10:33 --> 00:10:35 I needed comfort in the middle of the night,
00:10:35 --> 00:10:38 so I walked into my parents' bedroom. My mother
00:10:38 --> 00:10:40 didn't like to be in convenience. I'd walk her
00:10:40 --> 00:10:42 up. and maybe I was crying, I needed some kind
00:10:42 --> 00:10:44 of comfort. She took me back, grabbed me back
00:10:44 --> 00:10:48 to my bed and tied me to the bed. The ropes ran
00:10:48 --> 00:10:51 under the bed and around my chest and they were
00:10:51 --> 00:10:53 tight and tight and tight and I was terrified.
00:10:54 --> 00:10:56 I was thinking that I was going to be killed.
00:10:56 --> 00:10:59 I was didn't know if I could get out of this.
00:10:59 --> 00:11:03 I was confused or I just wanted some comfort.
00:11:03 --> 00:11:07 Somebody was tying me, tying me up. So there
00:11:07 --> 00:11:11 was her creative side. She would also humiliate
00:11:11 --> 00:11:14 me, degrade me in front of people, shame me in
00:11:14 --> 00:11:17 many ways possible. For minor transgressions,
00:11:17 --> 00:11:20 maybe I spilled some milk, maybe coming into
00:11:20 --> 00:11:22 play it was a little dirt on the rug and she
00:11:22 --> 00:11:25 was obsessed with cleaning, so I could be beat
00:11:25 --> 00:11:28 for that. So it was really quite terrifying to
00:11:28 --> 00:11:31 me. So how did it affect me as a little child?
00:11:32 --> 00:11:34 I was anxious, very anxious and very frightened.
00:11:34 --> 00:11:37 I would bite my nails. to be really stubs, to
00:11:37 --> 00:11:41 where the cuticles could start bleeding. I was
00:11:41 --> 00:11:43 terrified of the dark. I slept actually with
00:11:43 --> 00:11:48 the light on at night until unto my teens, so
00:11:48 --> 00:11:50 that fear stayed with me. I had horrible nightmares
00:11:50 --> 00:11:54 as a child. The nightmares consisted of monsters
00:11:54 --> 00:11:58 and witches trying to eat me, burn me, cook me,
00:11:58 --> 00:12:02 and it was just truly terrifying. Those were
00:12:02 --> 00:12:06 recurrent. So they were very, very scary, very
00:12:06 --> 00:12:09 painful. So what was the other? Yeah, also the
00:12:09 --> 00:12:12 anxiety caused me to wet my bed, you know, at
00:12:12 --> 00:12:14 night. And I did that till seven, till I was
00:12:14 --> 00:12:17 seven. And she would use that also to shame me
00:12:17 --> 00:12:19 in front of people that I was wetting my bed
00:12:19 --> 00:12:20 and she would tell them right in front of me.
00:12:21 --> 00:12:24 So that was really, really shaming. It was painful,
00:12:24 --> 00:12:28 that existence. So let's move forward to a little
00:12:28 --> 00:12:32 bit towards my nine -year -old self. I remember
00:12:32 --> 00:12:35 I was homesick from school, and I was watching
00:12:35 --> 00:12:39 the television, and I was watching the black
00:12:39 --> 00:12:42 and white film of Les Miserables, if you're familiar
00:12:42 --> 00:12:44 with it. Victor Hugo wrote that. It was about
00:12:44 --> 00:12:47 the French masses, the misery of them in the
00:12:47 --> 00:12:49 1800s. And it centers around two characters,
00:12:50 --> 00:12:52 one who steals a piece of bread because they're
00:12:52 --> 00:12:54 so impoverished, his family, so he can feed it,
00:12:54 --> 00:12:56 and the other policeman that hounds him for the
00:12:56 --> 00:12:59 rest of the novel to throw him into jail, to
00:12:59 --> 00:13:02 torture him. And I was crying. I was nine years
00:13:02 --> 00:13:04 old, and I was sobbing about the pain that I
00:13:04 --> 00:13:10 witnessed. And so I could feel the tears almost
00:13:10 --> 00:13:15 falling today. It was so disturbing to me. So
00:13:15 --> 00:13:17 what happened from there? Then I realized I was
00:13:17 --> 00:13:22 developing a great empathy, compassion, sensitivity
00:13:22 --> 00:13:25 for those who suffered and struggled in some
00:13:25 --> 00:13:30 way, whether it was an injustice that they committed
00:13:30 --> 00:13:32 upon them, whether it was poverty, whether it
00:13:32 --> 00:13:35 was sickness, whether it was a death that other
00:13:35 --> 00:13:40 people were feeling grief for, I was very disturbed
00:13:40 --> 00:13:44 by that. So between being abused myself, seeing
00:13:44 --> 00:13:46 other people, the injustice and the suffering,
00:13:47 --> 00:13:50 that was forming what I wanted to do with my
00:13:50 --> 00:13:54 life. That forming, that foundation started when
00:13:54 --> 00:13:57 I was young, started when I was about nine. So
00:13:57 --> 00:14:00 from knowing what I had to do is I had to figure
00:14:00 --> 00:14:05 out a way to survive my mother and get out of
00:14:05 --> 00:14:08 the house to go on to do what I want to do in
00:14:08 --> 00:14:12 life. So I began to get involved in sports. My
00:14:12 --> 00:14:15 main sports were ice hockey and soccer and I
00:14:15 --> 00:14:17 became an athlete and I played them through college.
00:14:18 --> 00:14:23 So that helped me get confident. The camaraderie
00:14:23 --> 00:14:25 was personal for me. It was really enjoyable
00:14:25 --> 00:14:28 for me. I enjoyed the camaraderie. It was people
00:14:28 --> 00:14:31 who weren't hurting me. So that was special.
00:14:32 --> 00:14:36 So I also enjoyed nature. I would get up early
00:14:36 --> 00:14:38 in the morning. I would go out, watch the sunrise.
00:14:39 --> 00:14:41 I'd listen to the birds. And I always thought
00:14:41 --> 00:14:44 that they were singing to me. So the combination
00:14:44 --> 00:14:48 of the sports and the nature, I was able to start
00:14:48 --> 00:14:50 to survive my mother, whatever I had to deal
00:14:50 --> 00:14:53 with at home. Could I ask you a question? Sure,
00:14:53 --> 00:14:56 of course. Everything that you were having to
00:14:56 --> 00:14:58 endure with your mother, you said that you also
00:14:58 --> 00:15:02 had a sister? Yes. Was your sister going through
00:15:02 --> 00:15:06 the same? Got it. She suffered more verbal abuse.
00:15:07 --> 00:15:10 Again, I was four years older than her. She suffered
00:15:10 --> 00:15:14 more verbal abuse and degrading, but she wasn't
00:15:14 --> 00:15:17 beaten like I was. My mother had it really in
00:15:17 --> 00:15:19 for me. She knows that I've talked to my sister
00:15:19 --> 00:15:22 about this. She understands the reason I wanted
00:15:22 --> 00:15:24 to get away from the house. She always tells
00:15:24 --> 00:15:27 me. Okay. Yeah. So yeah, she didn't get beaten.
00:15:27 --> 00:15:32 She was just verbally abused. But so let's say
00:15:32 --> 00:15:34 so. Okay. So nine. Did you have another question,
00:15:34 --> 00:15:37 Richard? No, no, go ahead. I'm sorry. I'm sorry
00:15:37 --> 00:15:39 to interrupt. No problem. Anytime. Just sought
00:15:39 --> 00:15:42 me for a question. So that was about nine I got
00:15:42 --> 00:15:46 up to. So about 14, my mother was still coming
00:15:46 --> 00:15:49 to try to hit me. And I was playing sports at
00:15:49 --> 00:15:52 the time, and I saw her come towards me. I put
00:15:52 --> 00:15:57 up my palm, my hand, and I said, stop. You can't
00:15:57 --> 00:16:00 hit me anymore. I'm strong now. I'm not a child.
00:16:01 --> 00:16:04 And I have the ability to defend myself. So she
00:16:04 --> 00:16:07 looked right into my eyes, turned around, didn't
00:16:07 --> 00:16:08 say anything, walked away. That was the last
00:16:08 --> 00:16:12 time she hit me. So I put a stop to the beatings.
00:16:12 --> 00:16:14 Without me being violent. I didn't want that.
00:16:14 --> 00:16:17 I just said I will defend myself. So it stopped
00:16:17 --> 00:16:20 that So what I had to do then is that at 14 I
00:16:20 --> 00:16:23 had to figure out I wanted to go to school to
00:16:23 --> 00:16:26 get more educated and how to help humanity So
00:16:26 --> 00:16:29 I had work, you know, I figured I need money.
00:16:29 --> 00:16:32 My parents didn't have much money So I'd work
00:16:32 --> 00:16:35 all kinds of jobs. I was a waiter. I was a busboy
00:16:35 --> 00:16:38 I was a lifeguard at hotels and a bellhop at
00:16:38 --> 00:16:42 hotels. I scooped ice cream I worked in a dry
00:16:42 --> 00:16:45 cleaning store. Worked in a dry cleaning store,
00:16:46 --> 00:16:50 yes I did. And let's see, that covers a lot of
00:16:50 --> 00:16:53 jobs there. We had a bus boy, yeah. I also, when
00:16:53 --> 00:16:56 I got to college, because I needed money then
00:16:56 --> 00:16:59 too, I shoveled snow for the railroad. During
00:16:59 --> 00:17:01 the winter, the railroad needed people to shovel
00:17:01 --> 00:17:04 the tracks, so I did that as well. So whatever
00:17:04 --> 00:17:07 job I could have, I took. So I needed extra money
00:17:07 --> 00:17:10 to go through. go to college and continue it.
00:17:10 --> 00:17:14 I was fortunate academically, I was able to work
00:17:14 --> 00:17:17 hard and I got a full tuition scholarship. So
00:17:17 --> 00:17:20 that paid the tuition. So this extra work would
00:17:20 --> 00:17:23 pay for my extras, whatever I needed for spending
00:17:23 --> 00:17:26 money. So I use it for that. Now at college,
00:17:28 --> 00:17:31 I had the choice. I started out, I took two courses
00:17:31 --> 00:17:35 of action. One was medicine to be a doctor, medical
00:17:35 --> 00:17:38 doctor. The other one was in psychology. So what
00:17:38 --> 00:17:41 happened gradually the medicine it didn't seem
00:17:41 --> 00:17:45 the right fit the psychology did so I got my
00:17:45 --> 00:17:49 degree my bachelor's degree in psychology and
00:17:49 --> 00:17:55 Then I went on to my PhD Studies I went that
00:17:55 --> 00:17:57 that was in Florida. I got a PhD in counseling
00:17:57 --> 00:18:00 from there now. Here's I'm gonna get into how
00:18:00 --> 00:18:03 I developed source completion therapy Okay, so
00:18:03 --> 00:18:08 from from graduating I was I was I trained in
00:18:08 --> 00:18:11 a lot of therapies, going through the studies,
00:18:12 --> 00:18:15 and I also went to therapy myself, because I
00:18:15 --> 00:18:17 knew I had work to do still left inside. I still
00:18:17 --> 00:18:20 had anger. You know, the sports didn't cover
00:18:20 --> 00:18:23 the anger. It didn't take it away. And I had
00:18:23 --> 00:18:26 fears. And I still had some nightmares. So I
00:18:26 --> 00:18:28 knew there was work for me to do. What happened
00:18:28 --> 00:18:31 is when I graduated with a PhD, I started working
00:18:31 --> 00:18:35 in schools, clinics, and then a university hired
00:18:35 --> 00:18:41 me. to work to train people, graduate students,
00:18:41 --> 00:18:44 who were getting trained in being a therapist
00:18:44 --> 00:18:46 or a counselor. Now, what happened there, this
00:18:46 --> 00:18:52 is the road to what I do now. I began to get
00:18:52 --> 00:18:55 referrals while I worked at the university from
00:18:55 --> 00:18:59 people asking me that would I see them and that
00:18:59 --> 00:19:01 because they were abused when they were children
00:19:01 --> 00:19:04 and they needed somebody, they liked me, they
00:19:04 --> 00:19:07 heard about me. They wanted, and I said, well,
00:19:07 --> 00:19:09 let's try it. So I opened up a private practice
00:19:09 --> 00:19:12 and I began working, doing work with people who
00:19:12 --> 00:19:16 were abused when they were children. And I think
00:19:16 --> 00:19:18 I was successful. I kept getting more referrals,
00:19:18 --> 00:19:22 but not enough. I wasn't satisfied. I wasn't
00:19:22 --> 00:19:25 satisfied with the long -term permanent change
00:19:25 --> 00:19:28 that I wanted for these people who really hurt.
00:19:29 --> 00:19:32 So what I did, I had a look at all of the therapies
00:19:32 --> 00:19:35 that I was working with, with these people. I
00:19:35 --> 00:19:37 had to see which worked, what things worked,
00:19:37 --> 00:19:39 what things didn't work. I thought what didn't
00:19:39 --> 00:19:43 work out. And I wanted to get to the source of
00:19:43 --> 00:19:47 this, their pain. And I wanted, I thought based
00:19:47 --> 00:19:50 on my experience up to now, if I could get and
00:19:50 --> 00:19:53 clear out all of what was inside them, I would
00:19:53 --> 00:19:57 be successful and they would be healed. So let
00:19:57 --> 00:20:00 me go to the beginning of the process of source
00:20:00 --> 00:20:02 completion therapy. And again, I like to start
00:20:02 --> 00:20:05 at the beginning of everything. So this way I'm
00:20:05 --> 00:20:08 going to start with the birth of a baby. The
00:20:08 --> 00:20:12 way I see it and what experience personally and
00:20:12 --> 00:20:15 professionally has taught me that we're all born
00:20:15 --> 00:20:19 basically innocent, pure, and just bursting with
00:20:19 --> 00:20:24 sweetness and sweet potential. I love holding
00:20:24 --> 00:20:28 babies. I think it's the most joyful thing I
00:20:28 --> 00:20:33 can do. Hold a baby all day and be totally satisfied.
00:20:34 --> 00:20:37 Content it all day just to hold the baby. So
00:20:37 --> 00:20:39 people who have babies around me and cousins,
00:20:39 --> 00:20:43 relatives, friends, they give me the baby to
00:20:43 --> 00:20:46 hold because they know I love it. So I love the
00:20:46 --> 00:20:48 purity and also the joy is so overwhelming it
00:20:48 --> 00:20:52 brings tears to my eyes. So the essence of this
00:20:52 --> 00:20:56 little baby that we all are is perfect. It doesn't
00:20:56 --> 00:20:58 know discrimination. It doesn't know, hey, it's
00:20:58 --> 00:21:01 perfect. Okay, now here's the problem and the
00:21:01 --> 00:21:05 glitch. As perfect as we are, as innocent and
00:21:05 --> 00:21:08 pure as we are, we depend on caregivers for our
00:21:08 --> 00:21:14 survival. We depend on them for food and nurturance
00:21:14 --> 00:21:16 and sustenance. We depend on them to protect
00:21:16 --> 00:21:19 us from harm. They don't let us drive in traffic.
00:21:19 --> 00:21:22 Don't stick our hand in electrical sockets. Don't
00:21:22 --> 00:21:25 leave us in a hot car. And we depend on that
00:21:25 --> 00:21:27 when we're hurting and emotionally and we're
00:21:27 --> 00:21:31 sad and we depend on them for comfort and encouragement.
00:21:32 --> 00:21:36 So what happens if the opposite happens, if they
00:21:36 --> 00:21:40 beat us instead of loving us, if they neglect
00:21:40 --> 00:21:44 our physical needs, if they degrade us and demean
00:21:44 --> 00:21:48 us instead of encouraging and support us, a whole
00:21:48 --> 00:21:50 bunch of negative feelings are produced in this
00:21:50 --> 00:21:54 child, which we were. They could feel worthless.
00:21:55 --> 00:21:57 They could feel unloved. They could feel insignificant.
00:21:58 --> 00:22:03 They could feel defective, empty, betrayed, invisible,
00:22:03 --> 00:22:07 rageful. So those are just a few. Worthless,
00:22:08 --> 00:22:10 those are the few of the feelings that everybody
00:22:10 --> 00:22:12 who I work with, no matter what their symptoms
00:22:12 --> 00:22:15 are, they have those feelings inside. Those are
00:22:15 --> 00:22:19 a few of them. Now what happens to with the child
00:22:19 --> 00:22:21 when they have first have those feelings they
00:22:21 --> 00:22:24 can't a little child can't process those it's
00:22:24 --> 00:22:27 not possible Physically and biologically to process
00:22:27 --> 00:22:30 those feelings They would go schizophrenic. It's
00:22:30 --> 00:22:33 too the betrayal is too overwhelming So what
00:22:33 --> 00:22:35 with the child is they get suppressed the brain
00:22:35 --> 00:22:38 suppresses those feelings represses them stuffs
00:22:38 --> 00:22:42 them down Okay, but what happens over time and
00:22:42 --> 00:22:45 over the years those feelings? fester and they
00:22:45 --> 00:22:48 fester and they combine and they turn into an
00:22:48 --> 00:22:53 emotional toxic brew. Now the subconscious, our
00:22:53 --> 00:22:56 subconscious, knows that's in there. The subconscious
00:22:56 --> 00:22:58 wants to push these feelings out because it's
00:22:58 --> 00:23:02 uncomfortable sitting there. I equate it to like
00:23:02 --> 00:23:06 food poisoning. You eat the food, your body wants
00:23:06 --> 00:23:08 to get all that stuff out and then it comes out
00:23:08 --> 00:23:12 of every orifice just about. In this case, what
00:23:12 --> 00:23:14 happens is the subconscious, in the feelings
00:23:14 --> 00:23:17 case, wants to get these feelings out, but our
00:23:17 --> 00:23:19 conscious still doesn't want to feel it. We've
00:23:19 --> 00:23:21 learned how to push it down and avoid it and
00:23:21 --> 00:23:24 deny it. So what happens is it gets diverted.
00:23:24 --> 00:23:28 It gets diverted into obsessions, phobias, addictions,
00:23:29 --> 00:23:33 gambling, alcohol, drugs, sex. It gets diverted
00:23:33 --> 00:23:37 into criticizing everybody else around you, judging
00:23:37 --> 00:23:41 everything. It gets diverted into intense and
00:23:41 --> 00:23:44 appropriate anger, like road rage. Everybody's
00:23:44 --> 00:23:48 familiar with that. I'm going to digress and
00:23:48 --> 00:23:50 just tell the simple story about the road rage.
00:23:50 --> 00:23:54 That's okay? Okay. So before I started to work
00:23:54 --> 00:23:56 for a lot of years, I would go to this local
00:23:56 --> 00:24:00 diner for breakfast and the guys would come in
00:24:00 --> 00:24:01 before they worked. They would go in and we'd
00:24:01 --> 00:24:03 sit around and we would talk sports, we would
00:24:03 --> 00:24:06 talk whatever. And this one gentleman, he liked
00:24:06 --> 00:24:07 to sit with me and talk sports. He knew I played
00:24:07 --> 00:24:09 hockey and soccer, so he was interested to talk
00:24:09 --> 00:24:11 to me. And he would always complain. He would
00:24:11 --> 00:24:15 say how this person on the road infuriated him.
00:24:16 --> 00:24:19 He got so enraged, he got out of the car, and
00:24:19 --> 00:24:22 he would come up with a story like that almost
00:24:22 --> 00:24:25 once a week. He would come up with that. And
00:24:25 --> 00:24:27 fortunately, no one hit him with a tire iron.
00:24:27 --> 00:24:32 or Shahnam, but he was telling me, so one day,
00:24:32 --> 00:24:35 because I know the rage can't be coming, he doesn't
00:24:35 --> 00:24:38 know these people. So the rage and the anger
00:24:38 --> 00:24:42 has to be coming from a deeper place. So I asked
00:24:42 --> 00:24:45 him, what bothers you so much if the man in front
00:24:45 --> 00:24:47 of you didn't signal? How can we have so much
00:24:47 --> 00:24:49 of this anger? Where is that coming from? That
00:24:49 --> 00:24:52 seems real intense. So he said to me, they didn't
00:24:52 --> 00:24:54 respect me. It's like I'm invisible to them.
00:24:55 --> 00:24:56 They don't care about my feelings. They don't
00:24:56 --> 00:24:59 care at all about me. So I said to him, well,
00:25:00 --> 00:25:02 who in your life, who important and significant
00:25:02 --> 00:25:06 in your life didn't do that for you, or did do
00:25:06 --> 00:25:08 that, hurt you like that? And he trusted me at
00:25:08 --> 00:25:10 that point. And he says, well, he thought about
00:25:10 --> 00:25:14 it. And he says, my father. My father, he left
00:25:14 --> 00:25:17 the house. He was an alcoholic. He abandoned
00:25:17 --> 00:25:20 me and my mother. And he didn't listen to a thing
00:25:20 --> 00:25:24 I said. And I was furious. at him and I'm furious
00:25:24 --> 00:25:27 to this day. So he did transfer that on the road
00:25:27 --> 00:25:30 to these people who he didn't know. So a lot
00:25:30 --> 00:25:31 of people aren't even aware and when even the
00:25:31 --> 00:25:33 media talks about road rage, they're not even
00:25:33 --> 00:25:36 going to the real source of this, which is anger
00:25:36 --> 00:25:39 hidden and repressed for a long time, most of
00:25:39 --> 00:25:42 the time from the childhood. So that's where
00:25:42 --> 00:25:44 that comes from. So there's a number of diversions.
00:25:45 --> 00:25:48 Also, I had one diversion that was really interesting
00:25:48 --> 00:25:51 was numbing. Numbing is also that people actually
00:25:51 --> 00:25:53 numb. They detach totally. They don't have any
00:25:53 --> 00:25:57 feelings. So they can't take them up. So one
00:25:57 --> 00:26:00 of the women who I worked with, she came to me
00:26:00 --> 00:26:03 and she would practice numbing not only mentally,
00:26:04 --> 00:26:06 she would do it physically. She wanted to be
00:26:06 --> 00:26:09 even physical pain, even hurting. She wanted
00:26:09 --> 00:26:12 to numb that off. creating her own anesthesia.
00:26:13 --> 00:26:15 So what she would do, she would look in the mirror
00:26:15 --> 00:26:18 and she would take a scalpel and she would start
00:26:18 --> 00:26:22 to cut her cheek until it bled and she was making
00:26:22 --> 00:26:25 sure she didn't feel that. So that's how much
00:26:25 --> 00:26:28 numbing she wanted to do. So we got to the source,
00:26:28 --> 00:26:30 you know, I said, well, who caused you all that
00:26:30 --> 00:26:32 pain? You know, so who caused you? And it was
00:26:32 --> 00:26:34 her father. She was sexually abused by her father
00:26:34 --> 00:26:36 and she didn't want to feel it. She wanted to
00:26:36 --> 00:26:39 make sure she was numb from it. but through my
00:26:39 --> 00:26:41 process we got all of the details of how he did
00:26:41 --> 00:26:44 it and She confronted him and that's part of
00:26:44 --> 00:26:47 the process and so she healed she started to
00:26:47 --> 00:26:49 feel she was able to get married She has children
00:26:49 --> 00:26:51 and she so she was able to have a nice life,
00:26:52 --> 00:26:55 but she was totally detached So all those diversions
00:26:55 --> 00:26:57 the addictions and phobias are another one in
00:26:57 --> 00:27:00 there eating disorders people think it's just
00:27:00 --> 00:27:02 the eating they can go to eating anonymous They're
00:27:02 --> 00:27:05 gonna just work on the symptom No, because the
00:27:05 --> 00:27:08 symptom is coming from all the feelings that
00:27:08 --> 00:27:11 you've stored inside. So all of those I call
00:27:11 --> 00:27:15 diversions, and they're rampant in the population
00:27:15 --> 00:27:18 and rampant throughout our society. And everybody
00:27:18 --> 00:27:21 has them who I deal with. They come in with the
00:27:21 --> 00:27:23 symptoms. Those are the symptoms. And let's go
00:27:23 --> 00:27:27 to how I heal them with source completion therapy.
00:27:27 --> 00:27:28 Unless you have any questions, Richard, right
00:27:28 --> 00:27:31 now. The diversions that you speak of, that to
00:27:31 --> 00:27:33 me sounds like, correct me if I'm wrong, that's
00:27:33 --> 00:27:36 in a way that the maladaptive coping mechanisms
00:27:36 --> 00:27:40 or defenses that we use to, like you mentioned,
00:27:40 --> 00:27:42 suppress these feelings, ignore these feelings,
00:27:43 --> 00:27:45 hide from these feelings, shut them off, but
00:27:45 --> 00:27:50 they're there. And I would say that Through time,
00:27:50 --> 00:27:52 and as you mentioned, through time, they just
00:27:52 --> 00:27:55 build up, they fester, and they get stronger
00:27:55 --> 00:27:58 over the years. The more we push them down and
00:27:58 --> 00:28:01 sometimes they boil over and they turn into these
00:28:01 --> 00:28:04 responses that we have and the way that we react
00:28:04 --> 00:28:07 and say, where did that come from? I got beside
00:28:07 --> 00:28:10 myself. That's coming from somewhere. And what
00:28:10 --> 00:28:13 you're doing is you're... getting to that place
00:28:13 --> 00:28:16 you're getting to that source and when you feel
00:28:16 --> 00:28:19 the feels you know when you get you get quiet
00:28:19 --> 00:28:21 alone and honest with it and you can you can
00:28:21 --> 00:28:24 start to find um some of the medicine in that
00:28:24 --> 00:28:26 darkness that's exactly right and that's what
00:28:26 --> 00:28:29 that source completion therapy does it gets totally
00:28:29 --> 00:28:32 to the source and it brings up all those feelings
00:28:32 --> 00:28:36 and get relieves them and release them So yeah,
00:28:36 --> 00:28:38 there are diversions, you can call them denials,
00:28:39 --> 00:28:41 absolutely, defense mechanisms. I like to call
00:28:41 --> 00:28:43 them diversions because I feel the conscious
00:28:43 --> 00:28:45 is diverting you away from what the subconscious
00:28:45 --> 00:28:48 wants. So that's why I call them, they divert.
00:28:49 --> 00:28:51 It gets diverted in that tract. So that's why
00:28:51 --> 00:28:53 I call them diversions. Is it something like,
00:28:53 --> 00:28:55 because you have the conscious and subconscious,
00:28:55 --> 00:28:58 in a way the conscious is trying to protect itself
00:28:58 --> 00:29:01 by doing these things? Yes, exactly. So these
00:29:01 --> 00:29:04 people are doing that. As a child, why is that
00:29:04 --> 00:29:10 so hard to break? As a child, the conscious was
00:29:10 --> 00:29:12 doing a favor for the child. The child can't
00:29:12 --> 00:29:14 process the feelings. It's too painful. That's
00:29:14 --> 00:29:17 the only way it can survive. But as an adult,
00:29:17 --> 00:29:20 it's harmful because those feelings are still
00:29:20 --> 00:29:25 kept in. person comes to me in the 30s, they've
00:29:25 --> 00:29:29 kept it in for 25 years. So it's hard to break
00:29:29 --> 00:29:33 that. Yeah, it's very hard. Just over the years
00:29:33 --> 00:29:36 it becomes, it just becomes second nature and
00:29:36 --> 00:29:38 it's a party. It's just the way that you deal
00:29:38 --> 00:29:40 with it, but you're not really dealing with it.
00:29:40 --> 00:29:42 Not dealing with it at all. It's a way to avoid
00:29:42 --> 00:29:45 dealing with it. That's what it is. and mask
00:29:45 --> 00:29:48 it, like putting a bandage on a pus infected
00:29:48 --> 00:29:51 wound, thinking it's not there because you don't
00:29:51 --> 00:29:54 see it, but underneath is all the pus or the
00:29:54 --> 00:29:57 infection. So that's what it's like. So once
00:29:57 --> 00:30:00 they come to you and I guess you're listening
00:30:00 --> 00:30:02 and you're hearing to all of the ways that they
00:30:02 --> 00:30:05 divert the attention away, you know, just from
00:30:05 --> 00:30:07 getting to the source of it, is it then that
00:30:07 --> 00:30:12 you start to phase by phase go through the...
00:30:12 --> 00:30:16 three phases that one goes through in order to
00:30:16 --> 00:30:19 experience it in full and to just release it
00:30:19 --> 00:30:21 to purge themselves of these emotions and heal
00:30:21 --> 00:30:25 themselves. That's the only method I find that
00:30:25 --> 00:30:30 legitimately gets permanent healing. And I'm
00:30:30 --> 00:30:33 not one, if there was something else that I've
00:30:33 --> 00:30:36 read about or heard about that worked, I would
00:30:36 --> 00:30:39 use it. This is the only way I found over the
00:30:39 --> 00:30:41 years. I've done it for a couple of decades.
00:30:41 --> 00:30:44 And with yourself as well, correct? I did this
00:30:44 --> 00:30:46 with myself as well. So when I was while I was
00:30:46 --> 00:30:48 coming up with this source completion therapy,
00:30:49 --> 00:30:51 I was seeing what worked for me and what worked
00:30:51 --> 00:30:54 for the the clients or patients that I work with.
00:30:54 --> 00:30:57 And I was able to put it together in a sequence
00:30:57 --> 00:31:00 that worked. I mean, there's always things I
00:31:00 --> 00:31:02 say, maybe I could do this a little better. But
00:31:02 --> 00:31:05 my anger has gone to my mother. Nightmares have
00:31:05 --> 00:31:09 stopped. I'm more peaceful than I've ever been
00:31:09 --> 00:31:12 since I've confronted my mother. But we could
00:31:12 --> 00:31:15 get in that when I get up to completion. Right.
00:31:15 --> 00:31:17 Yeah, yeah. You're going to walk us through a
00:31:17 --> 00:31:20 phase by phase. I am. I like to do that, yes.
00:31:21 --> 00:31:25 So, okay, so we know that the diversions are
00:31:25 --> 00:31:29 a way that a person Mutes their feelings that
00:31:29 --> 00:31:32 they were storing from childhood all those painful
00:31:32 --> 00:31:34 feelings. We know that so they come for me. They
00:31:34 --> 00:31:36 come to me Alright, so I'm gonna give you an
00:31:36 --> 00:31:38 example of awareness. That's the first phase
00:31:38 --> 00:31:42 so a lot of people a lot of therapists and therapists
00:31:42 --> 00:31:44 talk about oh, that's a more important mindfulness
00:31:44 --> 00:31:49 is the greatest that's that's Current that's
00:31:49 --> 00:31:51 okay. That's good to be aware, but it's not gonna
00:31:51 --> 00:31:53 come it's not gonna get rid of the feelings Okay,
00:31:53 --> 00:31:56 so awareness is only a start in terms of my process
00:31:56 --> 00:32:01 So in awareness, I use dream interpretation.
00:32:02 --> 00:32:04 I use body language. I look at their body language.
00:32:05 --> 00:32:06 I'm always listening and looking at their body
00:32:06 --> 00:32:09 as well as what they say, okay? And then I ask
00:32:09 --> 00:32:13 appropriate, called open questions, which I know
00:32:13 --> 00:32:15 what to ask to get them into, you know, to be
00:32:15 --> 00:32:17 working with this phase. So let me give you a
00:32:17 --> 00:32:19 couple of examples about awareness phase that
00:32:19 --> 00:32:23 I just talked about a little bit. So I was working,
00:32:23 --> 00:32:25 this is the first time I met this young woman
00:32:25 --> 00:32:28 and she came to me and I was just, I was doing
00:32:28 --> 00:32:31 an intake interview, intake, just I'm going to
00:32:31 --> 00:32:33 get her name and address. I got to the address
00:32:33 --> 00:32:37 part and I saw her leg was shaking, her legs
00:32:37 --> 00:32:39 were crossed and her leg was shaking and her
00:32:39 --> 00:32:41 foot was moving up and down, up and down, up
00:32:41 --> 00:32:45 and down. So. Said I said, you know, I'm writing
00:32:45 --> 00:32:48 this but I'm seeing your your foot in your leg
00:32:48 --> 00:32:52 and it's it's really active and I like to know
00:32:52 --> 00:32:54 what it's saying. What is your leg and foot saying?
00:32:55 --> 00:32:57 So she says no one ever asked me that one before
00:32:57 --> 00:33:00 So, okay, so she thought really clearly and she
00:33:00 --> 00:33:04 says it's saying I want to kick you I want to
00:33:04 --> 00:33:06 kick you first in the face and then I want to
00:33:06 --> 00:33:08 kick you in the groin until you're in a lot of
00:33:08 --> 00:33:12 pain So now I know that this can't be me like
00:33:12 --> 00:33:15 road rage It's it belongs something in the past
00:33:15 --> 00:33:18 someone hurt this young person and so I got to
00:33:18 --> 00:33:21 get to that So I said well, how come you want
00:33:21 --> 00:33:25 to kick me and hurt me and damage me? She said
00:33:25 --> 00:33:27 you're a man because you're a man and all you
00:33:27 --> 00:33:30 guys want to do is use us women you want to take
00:33:30 --> 00:33:34 advantage of us you want to Get what we can give
00:33:34 --> 00:33:37 you and then you leave then you abandon us and
00:33:37 --> 00:33:41 we're left all alone and empty And I said, well,
00:33:41 --> 00:33:44 who did that to you? Who really hurt you like
00:33:44 --> 00:33:48 that? She thought again, and she said, my father.
00:33:49 --> 00:33:51 And then we went on. So that was how we do it
00:33:51 --> 00:33:54 in awareness. I saw her body was saying something.
00:33:55 --> 00:33:57 I asked the questions where it comes from. So
00:33:57 --> 00:33:59 I know there's a source of that. So we want to
00:33:59 --> 00:34:02 get to the source. That's awareness. So whatever
00:34:02 --> 00:34:04 they bring to me, whatever symptom they bring
00:34:04 --> 00:34:09 to me, I will know it has its roots in the past.
00:34:09 --> 00:34:12 So I had another young woman came to me. She
00:34:12 --> 00:34:15 was in her late 20s, 30s, eating disorder, whole
00:34:15 --> 00:34:19 life. She had an eating disorder. She would eat
00:34:19 --> 00:34:22 and binge. She would binge a lot of food, really
00:34:22 --> 00:34:24 food. Like someone would take alcohol, she would
00:34:24 --> 00:34:27 take food. And she would binge it. And I asked
00:34:27 --> 00:34:32 her, well, what do you think that's from? What's
00:34:32 --> 00:34:34 happening? First she said, it's separate from
00:34:34 --> 00:34:36 my past. It's separate. It has nothing to do
00:34:36 --> 00:34:40 with my past. I said, well, usually, eating disorders
00:34:40 --> 00:34:43 are people using food to stuff down feelings
00:34:43 --> 00:34:46 in what I know. They use it like an anesthesia,
00:34:46 --> 00:34:49 like a person would use drugs or alcohol. It's
00:34:49 --> 00:34:54 to calm the feelings, to mute them, and to mask
00:34:54 --> 00:34:57 them. So I said, can you tell me a little bit
00:34:57 --> 00:35:00 about your parents or your caregivers as you
00:35:00 --> 00:35:03 grow up? So she thought a little bit. She said,
00:35:03 --> 00:35:05 no one did this. I went to every program in AA.
00:35:05 --> 00:35:07 I went to everything. I went to other therapists.
00:35:07 --> 00:35:11 I went to psychiatrists. So I said, tell me about
00:35:11 --> 00:35:13 your father and your mother, because she had
00:35:13 --> 00:35:17 a father and mother. They were still alive. And
00:35:17 --> 00:35:18 then she started to say, well, my father was
00:35:18 --> 00:35:22 an alcoholic, never cared about me, never was
00:35:22 --> 00:35:27 affectionate. When I tried to hug him, I tried
00:35:27 --> 00:35:29 to sit on his lap. When I was a really young
00:35:29 --> 00:35:31 girl, he just pushed me away, pushed me off.
00:35:31 --> 00:35:36 fell. So I started to feel that the alcohol was
00:35:36 --> 00:35:41 more important than I was. So that's the source
00:35:41 --> 00:35:44 of the eating disorder. And then she, again,
00:35:44 --> 00:35:46 over the time, this is a process that takes time,
00:35:47 --> 00:35:48 more and more things about how far they came
00:35:48 --> 00:35:51 out, more and more things and how she felt, etc.
00:35:52 --> 00:35:58 So that's a little bit about the awareness. Also,
00:35:58 --> 00:36:00 one more about the body language, if I could
00:36:00 --> 00:36:04 do that. OK, yeah, please. So a woman came to
00:36:04 --> 00:36:10 me again and this is maybe she was in her mid
00:36:10 --> 00:36:13 30s. She was referred to me and she came to me.
00:36:13 --> 00:36:17 She had had rashes all over her body. OK, constantly
00:36:17 --> 00:36:19 rashes and they would itch and they would bother.
00:36:19 --> 00:36:21 They thought it was eczema. They gave her creams.
00:36:21 --> 00:36:23 They gave oral medications. Doctors kept getting
00:36:23 --> 00:36:28 these rashes and rashes. And she said that told
00:36:28 --> 00:36:31 me to come to you. So, nothing's helping. So,
00:36:32 --> 00:36:34 she sat down, I did the intake and I sat down.
00:36:34 --> 00:36:36 I said, okay, let's look at this a little differently.
00:36:37 --> 00:36:40 Your body's saying something. What is under your
00:36:40 --> 00:36:43 skin saying to you? What is under the skin saying?
00:36:43 --> 00:36:47 She says, wow, that's a weird question. Again,
00:36:47 --> 00:36:49 no one ever asked me that one. I said, well,
00:36:49 --> 00:36:51 let's think about it a second, okay? Sometimes
00:36:51 --> 00:36:54 I might ask weird questions. I'm okay with that.
00:36:54 --> 00:36:57 Let's think about that. So she said, you know,
00:36:58 --> 00:37:00 What I'm feeling now, as I talk to you, that
00:37:00 --> 00:37:04 is the poison that my grandfather put into me
00:37:04 --> 00:37:08 when I sat on his lap and he molested me. I feel
00:37:08 --> 00:37:11 that poison throughout my body and it's underneath
00:37:11 --> 00:37:15 my skin. So that she was getting in touch then,
00:37:15 --> 00:37:19 that was through body awareness. The rashes were
00:37:19 --> 00:37:21 fun. When she started to continue to talk about
00:37:21 --> 00:37:24 it, the rashes went away when she continued the
00:37:24 --> 00:37:28 therapy. So again, that's awareness. Okay, so
00:37:28 --> 00:37:30 that's it's simple of awareness Can I just I'm
00:37:30 --> 00:37:33 just curious about how you deal with the dream?
00:37:34 --> 00:37:36 Interpretations because this is something that
00:37:36 --> 00:37:39 I've been exploring with myself recently I I'm
00:37:39 --> 00:37:42 getting back to it to where I got down I try
00:37:42 --> 00:37:45 to wake up and shut down some of the things that
00:37:45 --> 00:37:48 that came up when I was in dreamland The subconscious
00:37:48 --> 00:37:51 is always awake, but I was curious to get your
00:37:51 --> 00:37:54 take on. How do you? When you're dealing with
00:37:54 --> 00:37:57 dream interpretations, I've heard and I've heard
00:37:57 --> 00:38:01 people mention that your subconscious is speaking
00:38:01 --> 00:38:05 through symbols. It's a different language. And
00:38:05 --> 00:38:09 so patterns, shapes, colors, and different things
00:38:09 --> 00:38:11 like that. And to understand the language of
00:38:11 --> 00:38:15 the soul is one thing, but when you're dreaming
00:38:15 --> 00:38:19 and all of the characters and scenes, how do
00:38:19 --> 00:38:22 you feel about the interpretation? with people
00:38:22 --> 00:38:25 saying that those are different parts of you
00:38:25 --> 00:38:28 and not necessarily to be taken literally. I
00:38:28 --> 00:38:30 guess sometimes you may have a literal dream
00:38:30 --> 00:38:33 that is it could be taken literally, but a lot
00:38:33 --> 00:38:36 of times those are just different parts of you,
00:38:37 --> 00:38:39 personalities, characteristics, things that you're
00:38:39 --> 00:38:43 dealing with. And, you know, just I'd like to
00:38:43 --> 00:38:46 get your take on that. That's the dream interpretation
00:38:46 --> 00:38:50 that I like the most. And I use that. with people,
00:38:50 --> 00:38:55 okay? That each person and thing in the dream
00:38:55 --> 00:38:58 is a thing, everything is a part of themselves.
00:38:58 --> 00:39:00 So I'll give you an example of one, a simple
00:39:00 --> 00:39:03 one, example of that. Yeah, please. So this person,
00:39:04 --> 00:39:07 this, again, it was, this time it was a woman
00:39:07 --> 00:39:12 also. She told me of the dream, she was looking
00:39:12 --> 00:39:15 at a castle, a castle was in front of her, big,
00:39:15 --> 00:39:18 big castle, like from the middle ages, you know.
00:39:18 --> 00:39:22 And through every window, every portal was a
00:39:22 --> 00:39:25 weapon of war. There was spears, and there was
00:39:25 --> 00:39:28 catapults, and there was machine guns. There
00:39:28 --> 00:39:32 was mortars, cannons. All throughout every window
00:39:32 --> 00:39:35 was something of war and destruction. And there
00:39:35 --> 00:39:37 was a moat in front, and there were alligators.
00:39:39 --> 00:39:41 And she says, I can't get what this is. I can't
00:39:41 --> 00:39:45 get what this is. So I said, OK, so imagine the
00:39:45 --> 00:39:50 castle is you. part of you so tell me how this
00:39:50 --> 00:39:52 goes tell me what you feel about that and what
00:39:52 --> 00:39:55 what's what do you believe then she says oh wow
00:39:55 --> 00:39:59 that's interesting she says that is cause I'm
00:39:59 --> 00:40:02 protecting myself I don't want to be harmed anymore
00:40:02 --> 00:40:05 I don't want to be hurt I let no one near me
00:40:05 --> 00:40:08 I let no one close to me I'll hurt them if they
00:40:08 --> 00:40:11 get too close to me I don't trust them And she
00:40:11 --> 00:40:14 said, well, that's not why I'm here. Also, of
00:40:14 --> 00:40:16 course, I don't want to be that way. I feel isolated.
00:40:16 --> 00:40:20 I feel empty. I feel alone. And I said, OK, so
00:40:20 --> 00:40:23 let's see. Who hurt you when you were young?
00:40:23 --> 00:40:25 OK, that's the question I ask again. And then
00:40:25 --> 00:40:27 she goes into, oh, it was both my mother and
00:40:27 --> 00:40:30 father. And then we go from there. That's still
00:40:30 --> 00:40:32 in the awareness stage. The dream interpretation
00:40:32 --> 00:40:36 and the open questions and the body language
00:40:36 --> 00:40:38 is still awareness. I'm getting them to look
00:40:38 --> 00:40:41 at. how they were heard in that first phase.
00:40:41 --> 00:40:45 Who heard them, how they were heard. So the dream
00:40:45 --> 00:40:48 interpretation, most of the people, they like
00:40:48 --> 00:40:51 that way of interpreting dreams and it makes
00:40:51 --> 00:40:55 sense to them. And you elucidated it, you know?
00:40:55 --> 00:40:57 And anytime, just interrupt me and I'll answer
00:40:57 --> 00:41:01 these questions. Okay, so they get aware now,
00:41:01 --> 00:41:05 the second phase, which is really a very, very
00:41:05 --> 00:41:08 intense and emotional experience. Here, I take
00:41:08 --> 00:41:12 them back to the events that hurt them. I take
00:41:12 --> 00:41:15 them back in their mind. So through visualization,
00:41:16 --> 00:41:18 hypnosis, and I teach them self -hypnosis, how
00:41:18 --> 00:41:21 to go back in time. And it's very successful,
00:41:22 --> 00:41:23 but a lot of people are scared of it at first.
00:41:23 --> 00:41:26 So we do it very gently. And I always go with
00:41:26 --> 00:41:31 their pace. This is not a rush process, the three
00:41:31 --> 00:41:36 phases. And it's a process. that only ends when
00:41:36 --> 00:41:39 the person is finished, meaning it depends on
00:41:39 --> 00:41:43 their commitment to it, it depends on how deep
00:41:43 --> 00:41:46 and buried their feelings are, and it depends
00:41:46 --> 00:41:49 on how much courage they have to confront their
00:41:49 --> 00:41:52 source, and that's the last phase. So it takes
00:41:52 --> 00:41:55 its time, and I don't rush it, and that wouldn't
00:41:55 --> 00:41:58 work. So they take them back, and when I go back
00:41:58 --> 00:42:01 in time, I have them see all the sites, I have
00:42:01 --> 00:42:04 them feel all the feelings, I have them smell
00:42:04 --> 00:42:07 all the smells, any sounds that are in that experience.
00:42:07 --> 00:42:09 So if it was happening in a house, they look
00:42:09 --> 00:42:12 around, they feel whatever feelings, they see
00:42:12 --> 00:42:14 the furniture, they see the person who's hurting
00:42:14 --> 00:42:16 them, maybe they smell his perfume or beer, or
00:42:16 --> 00:42:18 if it's a woman, maybe they smell her perfume,
00:42:19 --> 00:42:23 whatever. So I have them feel that. And that
00:42:23 --> 00:42:26 brings, what that does, it brings the feelings
00:42:26 --> 00:42:29 to the, it brings the feelings up, it brings
00:42:29 --> 00:42:32 the feelings to the surface. and then they'll
00:42:32 --> 00:42:35 be ready for the third phase. So that is, when
00:42:35 --> 00:42:40 you're professional experienced, that is essential
00:42:40 --> 00:42:43 to getting through with the healing process,
00:42:43 --> 00:42:46 is to go through that, to experience it, because
00:42:46 --> 00:42:50 I've done my own, I guess you can say just...
00:42:50 --> 00:42:53 private research on some of these things. I'm
00:42:53 --> 00:42:55 not to say that I'm schooled in it where I took
00:42:55 --> 00:42:59 years of courses in to understand this, but I
00:42:59 --> 00:43:02 mean, just doing my own individual research.
00:43:02 --> 00:43:07 But I've learned that the body stores trauma.
00:43:07 --> 00:43:10 And so in order for that trauma to be released,
00:43:11 --> 00:43:14 because like you mentioned earlier that we suppress
00:43:14 --> 00:43:17 it, we don't give it. the opportunity or the
00:43:17 --> 00:43:20 space to complete its course and run through
00:43:20 --> 00:43:23 its body into, I guess, purge out of our system.
00:43:24 --> 00:43:27 And so in order to do that, is this what is leading
00:43:27 --> 00:43:30 to the whole process to be completed is where
00:43:30 --> 00:43:33 you're experiencing again and you're getting
00:43:33 --> 00:43:35 in that emotional state to where all of these
00:43:35 --> 00:43:38 feelings, the senses, the sensations are just
00:43:38 --> 00:43:42 heightened and. Prying that's it. It's yes. They're
00:43:42 --> 00:43:45 heightened and they're felt or else they stay
00:43:45 --> 00:43:47 locked in the body They stay locked in your subconscious
00:43:47 --> 00:43:50 and you're gonna get any of the divert you divert
00:43:50 --> 00:43:53 usually usually if people live a long time live
00:43:53 --> 00:43:57 Years decades one diversion won't be enough.
00:43:57 --> 00:44:01 They'll go to two. I had one woman she was She
00:44:01 --> 00:44:04 she smoked she drank she was obsessed with cleaning.
00:44:04 --> 00:44:07 She gambled So she had all those feelings, all
00:44:07 --> 00:44:09 those symptoms and diversions I call them when
00:44:09 --> 00:44:12 she first came to me. So they have to be purged.
00:44:12 --> 00:44:14 They have to be purged out. That's what gives
00:44:14 --> 00:44:17 you the long -term permanent healing. And that's
00:44:17 --> 00:44:20 what I found over the years. And the meditation
00:44:20 --> 00:44:23 and self -hypnosis and that puts them in that
00:44:23 --> 00:44:27 state. Exactly, Richard. Okay, got it. So that
00:44:27 --> 00:44:30 I teach them that or that's in my book too. There's
00:44:30 --> 00:44:32 a whole script of going to relaxation That's
00:44:32 --> 00:44:35 why you had asked me to be any about a could
00:44:35 --> 00:44:37 a person do it themselves and I said well It's
00:44:37 --> 00:44:39 in this shows them how to do it But if they if
00:44:39 --> 00:44:42 they want to come to the therapy to yes, I I
00:44:42 --> 00:44:45 do both it's supposed to go through the book
00:44:45 --> 00:44:48 and the professional gives him a good idea of
00:44:48 --> 00:44:52 what needs to be done because Freud Freud see
00:44:52 --> 00:44:55 Freud actually talked about releasing the the
00:44:55 --> 00:44:59 pain from the subconscious. That's what I'm doing
00:44:59 --> 00:45:01 in the second phase. But he didn't go further.
00:45:01 --> 00:45:04 He didn't go into the third phase that I do.
00:45:04 --> 00:45:08 So that makes a difference in that. And a lot
00:45:08 --> 00:45:11 of therapies don't do that. So mine, they would
00:45:11 --> 00:45:14 do all three. Mine would do all three. And then
00:45:14 --> 00:45:17 the person's really healed. I worked with recently
00:45:17 --> 00:45:21 an actress who was really struggling. She was
00:45:21 --> 00:45:23 a good actress, talented person, young person.
00:45:25 --> 00:45:29 And she read my book and she saw me on a show,
00:45:30 --> 00:45:33 Gaia was the streaming network at the time, and
00:45:33 --> 00:45:35 she called me. She got in touch with me. She
00:45:35 --> 00:45:38 says, look, I've had really bad experiences with
00:45:38 --> 00:45:42 therapists and I'm scared of going to therapy,
00:45:42 --> 00:45:44 but this seems right for me. It made a lot of
00:45:44 --> 00:45:48 sense for me, you know? And I spoke to her. I
00:45:48 --> 00:45:50 said, well, what was wrong with the other therapists?
00:45:50 --> 00:45:52 Well, they didn't go deep enough and they would...
00:45:52 --> 00:45:56 talking to me about using EMDR, it's called eye
00:45:56 --> 00:45:58 movements. Are you familiar with that too, Richard?
00:45:58 --> 00:46:00 Yeah, yeah. She said that was useless to me.
00:46:00 --> 00:46:03 It wasn't helping me at all. And I went to the
00:46:03 --> 00:46:07 psychiatrist because I was having these out -of
00:46:07 --> 00:46:10 -body experiences and it was terrifying me. And
00:46:10 --> 00:46:12 he said he wanted to give me, he thought I was
00:46:12 --> 00:46:13 schizophrenic. He said, you're schizophrenic,
00:46:13 --> 00:46:16 I'll give you medication. I terrified her too.
00:46:16 --> 00:46:18 So I talked to her, I said, by talking to her,
00:46:18 --> 00:46:20 you're not schizophrenic, what's happening, you're
00:46:20 --> 00:46:23 diverting, your brain is diverting you away from
00:46:23 --> 00:46:25 the feelings you've stored inside. Okay, that's
00:46:25 --> 00:46:27 what's happening, it's called a split. So your
00:46:27 --> 00:46:29 brain wants to become something else, so it doesn't
00:46:29 --> 00:46:31 have to feel the feelings. That's what's happening.
00:46:32 --> 00:46:34 She said, that makes sense. And I said, so her
00:46:34 --> 00:46:37 hurt you, let's go over that. Let's go over that.
00:46:38 --> 00:46:41 So she says, well, In this case, again, it was
00:46:41 --> 00:46:45 my father. She started going into it, into it.
00:46:46 --> 00:46:48 She had enough awareness, but she was really
00:46:48 --> 00:46:52 scared to make the third leap, which was to confront
00:46:52 --> 00:46:55 the person, her father, and tell him how she
00:46:55 --> 00:46:58 felt about what he did and how it made her feel.
00:46:58 --> 00:47:01 So that took us a little while to get there.
00:47:01 --> 00:47:03 She wrote them letters and she read them to me,
00:47:03 --> 00:47:06 but she didn't send them. So we worked at that
00:47:06 --> 00:47:08 for a while and she says, I'm ready now to confront
00:47:08 --> 00:47:12 my father. She confronted her father. She started
00:47:12 --> 00:47:14 to confront all those who hurt her in her life.
00:47:15 --> 00:47:18 And recently I got an email saying how I saved
00:47:18 --> 00:47:21 her life and she doesn't know how to thank me.
00:47:21 --> 00:47:25 So that was why that second phase is really crucial.
00:47:25 --> 00:47:28 Yeah, I understand. Thank you for sharing that.
00:47:28 --> 00:47:32 And let's say those that hurt them are no longer
00:47:32 --> 00:47:36 with, so how would you have them go through that
00:47:36 --> 00:47:39 process of, okay, let's go ahead and confront
00:47:39 --> 00:47:43 the one who did you wrong or who harmed you or
00:47:43 --> 00:47:46 who transgressed your... How would they go about
00:47:46 --> 00:47:48 it or how would you explain that to them, right?
00:47:48 --> 00:47:50 I'd like to commend you for the questions and
00:47:50 --> 00:47:51 these are really great questions that you're
00:47:51 --> 00:47:55 asking So it's terrific. Okay, so that's let's
00:47:55 --> 00:47:56 get to the third phase then so you've become
00:47:56 --> 00:48:00 aware of a number one your Your you went back
00:48:00 --> 00:48:02 in time all the feelings came up that your war
00:48:02 --> 00:48:03 you're vulnerable You have all these feelings
00:48:03 --> 00:48:07 inside not sure what to do with them So so the
00:48:07 --> 00:48:10 third phase is you go to the source. Okay, that's
00:48:10 --> 00:48:13 why it's source completion therapy Oh, okay.
00:48:13 --> 00:48:17 Got you. Okay. I jumped the gun. No, it's okay.
00:48:17 --> 00:48:20 It's good. Jump anything you want. I'm glad to
00:48:20 --> 00:48:26 answer anything anytime. So, okay. So, I teach
00:48:26 --> 00:48:29 them then how to confront the person or persons
00:48:29 --> 00:48:33 who hurt them. Okay. It's a feedback model. You
00:48:33 --> 00:48:37 tell them what they did, how you felt about it.
00:48:37 --> 00:48:39 and how it affected you. So that's the idea of
00:48:39 --> 00:48:41 it. I like this. They could do it personally,
00:48:41 --> 00:48:44 in person. I mean, that is a good way to do it.
00:48:44 --> 00:48:47 If they're not alive, you could go to their grave.
00:48:49 --> 00:48:52 You could write them letters still. So they can
00:48:52 --> 00:48:55 go to grave and talk to them. The person whose
00:48:55 --> 00:48:58 parents are alive, you could do that in person.
00:48:58 --> 00:49:03 You could call them. There's FaceTime. There's
00:49:03 --> 00:49:05 a million different ways to do that. Look at
00:49:05 --> 00:49:08 it. Zoom. That's what I use FaceTime and Zoom.
00:49:08 --> 00:49:11 So I'm sure there's other platforms you could
00:49:11 --> 00:49:15 use that to confront the person. When I'm saying
00:49:15 --> 00:49:17 confront, I don't mean to curse at the person.
00:49:17 --> 00:49:18 I don't mean to yell at them. I mean to tell
00:49:18 --> 00:49:21 them how you felt and what it made you do and
00:49:21 --> 00:49:24 how it affected you. So that's the idea of it.
00:49:25 --> 00:49:27 This is a hard phase for people, because they
00:49:27 --> 00:49:31 resist it. Because a lot of people, they still
00:49:31 --> 00:49:33 want their parents' love. We wanted our parents'
00:49:33 --> 00:49:35 love, so they're afraid to tell their parents
00:49:35 --> 00:49:37 this. They're afraid they lose whatever crumbs
00:49:37 --> 00:49:40 they have from the parent. And also, when they're
00:49:40 --> 00:49:42 doing it, it brings up these feelings again,
00:49:42 --> 00:49:45 and it's difficult for them. Difficult it is.
00:49:45 --> 00:49:48 So it's a hard phase to do for most people. It
00:49:48 --> 00:49:52 was for me too, but I did it. So let's see, the
00:49:52 --> 00:49:55 grave is one way if they're dead. I have them
00:49:55 --> 00:49:57 write to their parents. They can't send a letter.
00:49:57 --> 00:50:00 Sometimes they burn the letter afterwards, like
00:50:00 --> 00:50:05 a ceremony. So they do that. Forming a ritual
00:50:05 --> 00:50:08 or some kind of ceremony to where you're finally
00:50:08 --> 00:50:11 just the completion You're finalizing this this
00:50:11 --> 00:50:14 whole process if you're here. That's it. Yes
00:50:14 --> 00:50:18 So also there's um in my room if people if people
00:50:18 --> 00:50:21 have their parents still alive They bring them
00:50:21 --> 00:50:24 into the office to my office where I work and
00:50:24 --> 00:50:27 then they talk to them in the office If they're
00:50:27 --> 00:50:29 not alive or if they don't want to come in, or
00:50:29 --> 00:50:30 if the person doesn't want to have them come
00:50:30 --> 00:50:33 in, the source figures, they could visualize,
00:50:33 --> 00:50:34 just go back, close their eyes, they haven't
00:50:34 --> 00:50:36 closed their eyes, and visualize the parents
00:50:36 --> 00:50:40 in the office, get their faces, what they look
00:50:40 --> 00:50:42 like, what they're wearing, I asked those questions,
00:50:42 --> 00:50:44 and they said, okay, Ted, talk to them. So then
00:50:44 --> 00:50:46 they'll just talk to them. They'll visualize
00:50:46 --> 00:50:48 them in their mind and talk to them, and that's
00:50:48 --> 00:50:51 relieving and completing also. So they don't
00:50:51 --> 00:50:54 have to be alive for this to be effective. Thank
00:50:54 --> 00:50:58 you for explaining that, yeah. So that would
00:50:58 --> 00:51:03 complete the cycle of the three phases. Do you
00:51:03 --> 00:51:06 find a lot of... Well, you did talk about that
00:51:06 --> 00:51:09 there's a lot of people that struggle with either...
00:51:10 --> 00:51:12 filling the fields going back to that time and
00:51:12 --> 00:51:14 that place because that's, I mean, you're just
00:51:14 --> 00:51:17 revisiting, you're reopening a wound. Correct.
00:51:18 --> 00:51:21 And that can be, that's very difficult to confront.
00:51:21 --> 00:51:25 It is. And so I know you work at the pace of
00:51:25 --> 00:51:27 the individual. Are there certain things that
00:51:27 --> 00:51:29 you kind of do to prompt them or lead them or
00:51:29 --> 00:51:32 to ease their way into that? Or it's really,
00:51:33 --> 00:51:35 if they're not ready, they're not ready and you
00:51:35 --> 00:51:39 can't move forward. Right. Again, I do stay with
00:51:39 --> 00:51:41 their pace. If they don't want to go further,
00:51:41 --> 00:51:43 then they won't go further. But if I sense that
00:51:43 --> 00:51:45 they still want to, I'll stay with the awareness
00:51:45 --> 00:51:48 phase more. We'll cognitively talk about it for
00:51:48 --> 00:51:50 a while. And they could control the emotional
00:51:50 --> 00:51:53 meter. So they'll stay until they're ready to
00:51:53 --> 00:51:55 go up to the next phase. Again, I'm not working
00:51:55 --> 00:51:58 with people that don't understand the process
00:51:58 --> 00:52:01 or don't want to do it. There's a lot of people
00:52:01 --> 00:52:03 that don't want to do it. So they're not going
00:52:03 --> 00:52:05 to want to do it. So I don't work with them.
00:52:05 --> 00:52:07 People who are really interested in it, they
00:52:07 --> 00:52:10 will want to work with this. And even though
00:52:10 --> 00:52:11 it's when it's really hard, they still can't
00:52:11 --> 00:52:14 do it. Those I will stay with as long as they
00:52:14 --> 00:52:16 want. I'll stay with them. I've had one person
00:52:16 --> 00:52:20 for 15 years, you know, staying with. And then
00:52:20 --> 00:52:23 another people. Also 15 people who worked with
00:52:23 --> 00:52:25 me for a while and they've changed their lives
00:52:25 --> 00:52:27 around you at drastically and they want to continue
00:52:27 --> 00:52:29 to grow and heal These are people who have been
00:52:29 --> 00:52:32 severely abused. So it's not simple. It's not
00:52:32 --> 00:52:34 simple It's not easy for them and they know it
00:52:34 --> 00:52:37 and I don't say this is a simple process But
00:52:37 --> 00:52:39 once they know if they ask me I say no, I've
00:52:39 --> 00:52:42 been through it, too They understand that I understand
00:52:42 --> 00:52:44 them and then it works better for them So they
00:52:44 --> 00:52:47 trust me they get to trust me if I rush it and
00:52:47 --> 00:52:49 not gonna trust me They'll think I'm hurting
00:52:49 --> 00:52:53 them in some way So I just I just wait till they're
00:52:53 --> 00:52:55 ready to do that. That's just a beautiful work
00:52:55 --> 00:52:57 that you're involved with the whole fact that
00:52:57 --> 00:53:00 this what brings to mind I've been just reading
00:53:00 --> 00:53:04 and learning more about these archetypes that
00:53:04 --> 00:53:07 are spoken of the persona you have the victim
00:53:07 --> 00:53:09 which I told you earlier that was something that
00:53:09 --> 00:53:12 I wore and I was for the longest time and what
00:53:12 --> 00:53:15 comes to mind with you is the wounded healer.
00:53:15 --> 00:53:18 And so the suffering and the darkness and the
00:53:18 --> 00:53:20 pain and the hurt, but through that, that's where
00:53:20 --> 00:53:23 you were able to find the medicine, not just
00:53:23 --> 00:53:26 for yourself, but to help others. And that's
00:53:26 --> 00:53:28 a beautiful thing that you're involved with and
00:53:28 --> 00:53:31 doing. And so it was really a pleasure to speak
00:53:31 --> 00:53:34 with you and to hear it from you directly, to
00:53:34 --> 00:53:36 give you this space where you can share your
00:53:36 --> 00:53:39 own experience. You were very transparent and
00:53:39 --> 00:53:41 open about the things that you went through,
00:53:41 --> 00:53:44 unfortunately. the light that you found in that
00:53:44 --> 00:53:47 darkness that for yourself and then to bring
00:53:47 --> 00:53:50 it to others and just to help. And you've been
00:53:50 --> 00:53:53 doing this for years, right? And it's been tried,
00:53:53 --> 00:53:55 it's been tested. You've helped a lot of people
00:53:55 --> 00:53:57 along the way to find their own strength and
00:53:57 --> 00:54:02 the resources to be that healer for themselves.
00:54:03 --> 00:54:07 Correct. Now, I confronted my mother through
00:54:07 --> 00:54:12 the process, and in my case, my mother was contrite.
00:54:13 --> 00:54:17 She says, I hurt you, and I'm sorry. And if I
00:54:17 --> 00:54:20 had to do it all over again, I would do it differently.
00:54:21 --> 00:54:23 I doubt if that would be possible, because she
00:54:23 --> 00:54:26 didn't really work on herself. But I accepted
00:54:26 --> 00:54:30 that, and she listened to me, and she just apologized.
00:54:31 --> 00:54:34 After that, did you stay in contact with her?
00:54:34 --> 00:54:38 It's pretty distant since then. Well, I did stay
00:54:38 --> 00:54:40 in contact. In fact, she would call me. She had
00:54:40 --> 00:54:43 moved down to Florida. I'm in New York. And she
00:54:43 --> 00:54:46 would call me in later years. She had passed
00:54:46 --> 00:54:49 away recently. But in later years, she would
00:54:49 --> 00:54:51 call me often about troubles that she was going
00:54:51 --> 00:54:56 through. And she says, can I talk to you, Robert,
00:54:56 --> 00:54:58 about it? And I said, yeah, I'll listen to you.
00:54:58 --> 00:55:01 I'll always listen to you. Since she calls, she
00:55:01 --> 00:55:05 called and I listened to her and it was amiable.
00:55:05 --> 00:55:07 Some people talk about forgiveness, also a lot
00:55:07 --> 00:55:11 of therapists. Oh, you read my mind. That was
00:55:11 --> 00:55:16 right at the tip and it was just, maybe my forehead
00:55:16 --> 00:55:19 is made of glass or that's just something that
00:55:19 --> 00:55:23 all of us share in that trouble and the holding
00:55:23 --> 00:55:27 on to the hate, the hurt, the wounds. Sometimes
00:55:27 --> 00:55:30 it's difficult to even forgive ourselves. but
00:55:30 --> 00:55:34 also those who hurt us. Correct. Right. So, I
00:55:34 --> 00:55:36 have a little bit different bent on the forgiveness
00:55:36 --> 00:55:38 piece. If you want to hear it, you want to hear
00:55:38 --> 00:55:40 it? Yeah, would love to. Of course, a lot of
00:55:40 --> 00:55:42 therapists ask me, a lot of people that I interact
00:55:42 --> 00:55:45 ask me about that. Is that part of your process?
00:55:45 --> 00:55:49 I say, well, what is my process is the person
00:55:49 --> 00:55:51 that I'm working with. That's my most important
00:55:51 --> 00:55:55 piece, not the person who's the perpetrator.
00:55:56 --> 00:55:59 So in order for the person to be healthy, they
00:55:59 --> 00:56:01 have to get all the feelings out, and they have
00:56:01 --> 00:56:03 to get out the feelings to the source. That's
00:56:03 --> 00:56:06 the most important part of healing. If they get
00:56:06 --> 00:56:08 the feelings out, they might be open to forgiveness,
00:56:08 --> 00:56:10 because they have more room inside, they have
00:56:10 --> 00:56:12 more room inside for others, they have more compassion,
00:56:12 --> 00:56:15 they have more openness. So forgiveness might
00:56:15 --> 00:56:17 come, but if it doesn't, that's okay with me
00:56:17 --> 00:56:20 too. Some people don't wanna forgive. So I'm
00:56:20 --> 00:56:22 okay with that. As long as those feelings are
00:56:22 --> 00:56:28 out, my person's gonna be healed. So Yeah, that's
00:56:28 --> 00:56:30 how I look at that Okay, cuz you know, I've also
00:56:30 --> 00:56:32 just to give you you probably heard it before
00:56:32 --> 00:56:38 I've heard those they preach in order to Heal
00:56:38 --> 00:56:43 you have different if you have to I Say the opposite
00:56:43 --> 00:56:46 Okay, in order to heal you have to release the
00:56:46 --> 00:56:49 feelings then you might be open to forgiveness
00:56:49 --> 00:56:53 So it's a little different that can be a byproduct
00:56:53 --> 00:56:57 of it. Correct It's not, because if, let's say
00:56:57 --> 00:56:59 I'm not complete with my stuff, I didn't go to
00:56:59 --> 00:57:01 my mother, so where would I be? I have this anger
00:57:01 --> 00:57:04 in me, I have this fury in me, and someone says,
00:57:04 --> 00:57:06 forgive her, forgive her, forgive her. And I
00:57:06 --> 00:57:08 just say, okay, I forgive you. They're just words.
00:57:08 --> 00:57:11 These feelings are still inside of me. So if
00:57:11 --> 00:57:12 they don't come out to my mother, they're gonna
00:57:12 --> 00:57:16 come out to my husband, or my wife, or whoever.
00:57:16 --> 00:57:18 They'll come out to my dog, they'll come out
00:57:18 --> 00:57:21 on anything. I'll start drinking over it. or
00:57:21 --> 00:57:24 taking drugs, not to feel it. So that has to
00:57:24 --> 00:57:27 be the crux and the most important part of my
00:57:27 --> 00:57:30 healing a person, releasing the feelings. And
00:57:30 --> 00:57:33 if they want to forgive, it's up to them. You
00:57:33 --> 00:57:36 can heal without the forgiveness. You could do
00:57:36 --> 00:57:38 that. That's good to hear that side of it because
00:57:38 --> 00:57:42 I have heard that preached by many and some professionals
00:57:42 --> 00:57:44 and then of course just other people, they just
00:57:44 --> 00:57:47 parrot and repeat what they hear. But there's
00:57:47 --> 00:57:49 always been something in me that felt a little
00:57:49 --> 00:57:51 different about it. I was like, why does that
00:57:51 --> 00:57:54 have to be? I mean, if it comes, it comes, but
00:57:54 --> 00:57:57 how can you? Exactly right, Richard. That's what
00:57:57 --> 00:57:59 I feel. I worked with a woman who came to me.
00:57:59 --> 00:58:02 Do we have a minute or two? More absolutely.
00:58:03 --> 00:58:06 Okay. So I work with a woman who came to me in
00:58:06 --> 00:58:09 20s was really really messed up She was on drugs.
00:58:10 --> 00:58:15 She couldn't hold a job she Was disheveled It
00:58:15 --> 00:58:18 wasn't taking care of her body physically and
00:58:18 --> 00:58:21 she says look I haven't had I haven't had a shower
00:58:21 --> 00:58:23 I haven't gone into the shower in years. I use
00:58:23 --> 00:58:28 a sponge bath and I asked her, you know, you
00:58:28 --> 00:58:30 know what was going on who hurt you And she says,
00:58:30 --> 00:58:33 my father, my stepfather, he raped me in the
00:58:33 --> 00:58:37 shower. My mother had died and he was raping
00:58:37 --> 00:58:40 me in the shower. And he also raped me on the
00:58:40 --> 00:58:44 bed. He tied me to a radiator and he made me
00:58:44 --> 00:58:46 feel worthless. After he raped me, he called
00:58:46 --> 00:58:49 me a whore and he called me a no good and he
00:58:49 --> 00:58:52 called me worthless. So the rapes, he raped her
00:58:52 --> 00:58:54 over and over again in the shower and she couldn't
00:58:54 --> 00:58:56 take the shower. She just couldn't do it when
00:58:56 --> 00:58:59 she came to me. And then we went back in time
00:58:59 --> 00:59:02 and, you know, she did do it. She talked to her
00:59:02 --> 00:59:04 father. She was one of the ones that burnt the
00:59:04 --> 00:59:06 letter because he had died. I told you, she wrote
00:59:06 --> 00:59:10 a letter to him and died. And she was abused
00:59:10 --> 00:59:14 so badly, she was, she healed. She was able to
00:59:14 --> 00:59:16 hold her job down. She went back to school in
00:59:16 --> 00:59:19 social work to get a social work degree. And
00:59:19 --> 00:59:22 she met a man, she married, had a child. And
00:59:22 --> 00:59:26 she was having a nice, had a nice life. But forgiveness,
00:59:27 --> 00:59:29 you know, I don't know how you would forgive
00:59:29 --> 00:59:31 someone that rapes you. You could lose the intensity
00:59:31 --> 00:59:34 of the anger by getting it out. I don't know
00:59:34 --> 00:59:36 if that's warranted of someone's forgiveness.
00:59:37 --> 00:59:40 I don't believe it is. So this depends on the
00:59:40 --> 00:59:44 severity. You heal by releasing the feelings.
00:59:44 --> 00:59:46 Then you might be open to forgiveness. That's
00:59:46 --> 00:59:51 how I say it. Well put. Well put. Thank you.
00:59:52 --> 00:59:54 Thank you for that explanation and I'm just sharing
00:59:54 --> 00:59:57 your opinion on it. You're dealing with people
00:59:57 --> 01:00:01 who are broken, they're battered, they're beaten.
01:00:02 --> 01:00:05 And I'm just, I have this something that just
01:00:05 --> 01:00:10 came to mind was in your line of work in the
01:00:10 --> 01:00:14 dealing with these traumatic events and experiences
01:00:14 --> 01:00:17 that people have undergone and suffered. does
01:00:17 --> 01:00:22 it weigh on you also spiritually your soul your
01:00:22 --> 01:00:25 heart like what do you do to keep yourself at
01:00:25 --> 01:00:31 balance and to be able to take that and not to
01:00:31 --> 01:00:35 let it also absorb and eat you is there is there
01:00:35 --> 01:00:37 something that you do a practice or things that
01:00:37 --> 01:00:40 you do just to take care of your your spiritual
01:00:40 --> 01:00:42 well -being and just your hygiene the health
01:00:42 --> 01:00:44 of your mental hygiene and It's another great
01:00:44 --> 01:00:46 question, Richard. It's a really good question.
01:00:46 --> 01:00:49 At first, when I started doing this years ago,
01:00:50 --> 01:00:54 it was weighing really heavily on me. I was listening
01:00:54 --> 01:00:57 to stories, the worst that mankind and womankind
01:00:57 --> 01:01:00 could do to each other. That was difficult for
01:01:00 --> 01:01:03 me, and I had it done to myself. So that did
01:01:03 --> 01:01:06 weigh on me. And at first, I was having trouble
01:01:06 --> 01:01:10 sleeping. I needed a little medication to be
01:01:10 --> 01:01:12 able to sleep because I had to work. So that
01:01:12 --> 01:01:15 helped me through that. And after getting through
01:01:15 --> 01:01:19 that time, I focused just on the person. I'm
01:01:19 --> 01:01:21 able to focus mainly on the person and healing
01:01:21 --> 01:01:24 them. So my thoughts, my energy goes on, what's
01:01:24 --> 01:01:27 the next question? What's the next thing I need
01:01:27 --> 01:01:31 to do with this human being? to help them and
01:01:31 --> 01:01:34 guide them. So that helps me, that helps me today.
01:01:35 --> 01:01:37 So what I do, what also helps are endorphins.
01:01:38 --> 01:01:41 I exercise every day, every morning. I'm up 4
01:01:41 --> 01:01:43 .35 o 'clock. I have an exercise for me before
01:01:43 --> 01:01:47 I go to work. I swim, I skied a lot, I played
01:01:47 --> 01:01:51 sports for a long time. So in nature, I go into
01:01:51 --> 01:01:54 the mountains, upstate New York often, and I
01:01:54 --> 01:01:58 just am in peace. I love in a forest, hiking
01:01:58 --> 01:02:01 in a forest. I love the majesty of the trees
01:02:01 --> 01:02:08 and the leaves and the cool breath that I take
01:02:08 --> 01:02:12 in from the cool mountain air. I love all that.
01:02:12 --> 01:02:14 I take that in and I still look at the sunset.
01:02:15 --> 01:02:17 I still look at the sunrise. I still hear the
01:02:17 --> 01:02:23 birds sing to me. You got it down. That's a sweet
01:02:23 --> 01:02:28 way. So those are the things I do. My wife is
01:02:28 --> 01:02:30 as yours, really supportive of me over the years.
01:02:31 --> 01:02:34 She's been terrific and helped me. Sometimes
01:02:34 --> 01:02:38 she was in the same field and I would go to her
01:02:38 --> 01:02:41 if I was stuck on something and I would run a
01:02:41 --> 01:02:43 buyer and she supported me that way. She was
01:02:43 --> 01:02:47 always kind to me and I trusted her implicitly.
01:02:47 --> 01:02:50 And I have two little grandchildren that I was
01:02:50 --> 01:02:51 fortunate enough to live long enough to play
01:02:51 --> 01:02:55 with, and I'm playing with them. And they love
01:02:55 --> 01:02:59 to play with me, all kinds of games. And I get
01:02:59 --> 01:03:02 the purity of their spirit. So those are some
01:03:02 --> 01:03:04 of the things I do in my life. that sounds like
01:03:04 --> 01:03:07 a taste of heaven to me you know and even you
01:03:07 --> 01:03:10 you read these old stories uh whether you want
01:03:10 --> 01:03:13 to take them literally or their analogies or
01:03:13 --> 01:03:16 parables but even jesus when he was dealing with
01:03:16 --> 01:03:21 all of the downtrodden people of his time and
01:03:21 --> 01:03:25 the sick and the blind and the Pharisees and
01:03:25 --> 01:03:28 people speaking against him he was speaking his
01:03:28 --> 01:03:31 word and he was sharing he was sharing his heart
01:03:31 --> 01:03:35 with them and after that he would go away in
01:03:35 --> 01:03:37 silence, go off to the hills or something. So
01:03:37 --> 01:03:39 that was his time where he recuperated. And this
01:03:39 --> 01:03:42 is just in, you know, in accord with how you
01:03:42 --> 01:03:45 said that. after you're dealing with the clients
01:03:45 --> 01:03:47 and the people that you deal with after that,
01:03:47 --> 01:03:49 you still recharge your body. And there's a lot
01:03:49 --> 01:03:52 of ways that you do it with nature, with the
01:03:52 --> 01:03:54 beautiful people that you have in your life.
01:03:54 --> 01:03:57 And that keeps you at balance. And that is a
01:03:57 --> 01:03:59 good way to take care of oneself or just for
01:03:59 --> 01:04:02 anybody, whatever it is that you're doing. But
01:04:02 --> 01:04:05 you have to have some time. It's it's almost
01:04:05 --> 01:04:08 definite. It is a must that you have to have
01:04:08 --> 01:04:12 some time to recuperate. and refill your cup
01:04:12 --> 01:04:15 so that you can later on fill the cup of somebody
01:04:15 --> 01:04:18 else. Exactly. Exactly. One thing also I do that
01:04:18 --> 01:04:23 I just came to me. I'll say this. The rewards
01:04:23 --> 01:04:27 that I get from doing this work also motivates
01:04:27 --> 01:04:29 me, inspires me because people write to me. They
01:04:29 --> 01:04:33 thank me. They've had they go on to live productive
01:04:33 --> 01:04:36 and fruitful and enjoyable life. So that that's
01:04:36 --> 01:04:39 that gives me. you know, encouragement to continue
01:04:39 --> 01:04:41 to do it. So that's important also to me. That's
01:04:41 --> 01:04:44 the priceless. What we were talking about earlier,
01:04:44 --> 01:04:47 that priceless nugget that money can't buy when
01:04:47 --> 01:04:51 the gold, when the silver fades away and all
01:04:51 --> 01:04:54 the shiny things stop flickering. That is going
01:04:54 --> 01:04:56 to be, you know, that's worth three thousand
01:04:56 --> 01:05:02 lifetimes. I think so. Yes, I agree. Wow. Robert,
01:05:02 --> 01:05:04 it was a treat. It was a pleasure to finally
01:05:04 --> 01:05:07 connect. We spoke a bit before we were finally
01:05:07 --> 01:05:11 able to do this live and in person as an as in
01:05:11 --> 01:05:14 person as you can get from living in two different
01:05:14 --> 01:05:19 parts of the world. It works, yeah. The beautiful
01:05:19 --> 01:05:23 magic wand of technology. And I'd like to give
01:05:23 --> 01:05:25 you a chance to point people to your website
01:05:25 --> 01:05:29 and how they can find your book and all the information
01:05:29 --> 01:05:32 and the ways that people can find you or if they're
01:05:32 --> 01:05:36 curious to learn more about an in -depth detail
01:05:36 --> 01:05:41 of your tried, proven method and technique to
01:05:41 --> 01:05:46 to recover and to heal from whatever it is that
01:05:46 --> 01:05:49 is plaguing you inside and to deal with that
01:05:49 --> 01:05:51 inner world and the inner dynamics. I'd like
01:05:51 --> 01:05:54 to, yeah, go ahead and share how people can get
01:05:54 --> 01:05:57 in touch with you. Sure. So the best place you
01:05:57 --> 01:06:00 can start with going to my website, it's Robert
01:06:00 --> 01:06:04 Black. So it's really simple. That'll have my
01:06:04 --> 01:06:07 book on it, too, and in addition to some other
01:06:07 --> 01:06:10 things. It'll have my phone number. You could
01:06:10 --> 01:06:12 reach me at my office, and it has the email.
01:06:12 --> 01:06:14 You could write to me, contact me. It has the
01:06:14 --> 01:06:17 contact information. So that's the best place
01:06:17 --> 01:06:19 to go. The book is called Give Back the Pain,
01:06:20 --> 01:06:22 and that's available. You could buy it from the
01:06:22 --> 01:06:24 website. You could buy it on Amazon. That's where
01:06:24 --> 01:06:27 people seem to buy it the most, from Amazon.
01:06:27 --> 01:06:29 But you could get it from bookstores that you
01:06:29 --> 01:06:32 know. it should be available. That'll give you
01:06:32 --> 01:06:34 the little information and if you have a question,
01:06:34 --> 01:06:36 you could call me. You could get in touch with
01:06:36 --> 01:06:38 me through the website and I'll always answer
01:06:38 --> 01:06:41 you. I tell people, even the ones I work with,
01:06:41 --> 01:06:44 if you contact me, I promise you I will always
01:06:44 --> 01:06:47 get back to you as soon as I can. Of course,
01:06:47 --> 01:06:49 a number of therapists don't do that with people
01:06:49 --> 01:06:52 and the people, they don't like it. So I will
01:06:52 --> 01:06:54 always get back to you as soon as I can and I
01:06:54 --> 01:06:56 promise that I've been able to. Hold on to that
01:06:56 --> 01:06:59 promise since I'm working with everybody. That's
01:06:59 --> 01:07:02 respectable. That is very respectable. And Robert,
01:07:02 --> 01:07:05 again, thank you so much for for your words,
01:07:05 --> 01:07:08 for your wisdom, for sharing your experience
01:07:08 --> 01:07:11 and for the great deed you're doing to humanity
01:07:11 --> 01:07:14 and to society at large. We need more people
01:07:14 --> 01:07:17 like that where you use this pain, this suffering,
01:07:17 --> 01:07:20 and you used it to not only help yourself to
01:07:20 --> 01:07:24 to find the medicine in that. but to also help
01:07:24 --> 01:07:25 others and that's what you're doing and that's
01:07:25 --> 01:07:28 what you continue to do. So it was great to connect
01:07:28 --> 01:07:31 and hear some of that today. Appreciate it. And
01:07:31 --> 01:07:34 I thank you, Richard. I really enjoyed this experience.
01:07:35 --> 01:07:37 Your warmth, your authenticity, your understanding
01:07:37 --> 01:07:41 of what I do. It was just a pleasure to speak
01:07:41 --> 01:07:44 with you and I thank you very much. And I applaud
01:07:44 --> 01:07:48 what you're doing. I hope you continue to...
01:07:48 --> 01:07:51 flourishing your life. Oh, thank you for those
01:07:51 --> 01:07:53 kind words. Really, they mean a lot. Thank you.
01:07:53 --> 01:07:55 I was going to say if you have any final words,
01:07:55 --> 01:07:57 but wow, that's a beautiful way to end it. And
01:07:57 --> 01:08:00 thank you so much. The pleasure was mine, truly.
01:08:01 --> 01:08:05 Thank you. Thank you, Richard. I hope you all
01:08:05 --> 01:08:09 enjoyed this conversation today with Dr. Robert
01:08:09 --> 01:08:14 Bleck. It was a real treat. It was a privilege,
01:08:15 --> 01:08:19 though we met for the first time. I can feel
01:08:19 --> 01:08:24 the warmth in his spirit. I can feel how genuine
01:08:24 --> 01:08:29 he was. And it was just great to hear how he
01:08:29 --> 01:08:34 was able to move forward. Everything that he
01:08:34 --> 01:08:38 went through, the suffering, the abuse from his
01:08:38 --> 01:08:42 mother for the better half of his childhood,
01:08:43 --> 01:08:46 but things stopped. And when they stopped, he
01:08:46 --> 01:08:49 was still left with wounds. he was still broken
01:08:49 --> 01:08:51 he was still damaged but there was something
01:08:51 --> 01:08:55 inside of him where he wanted to figure out how
01:08:55 --> 01:08:58 he can help himself and then by helping himself
01:08:58 --> 01:09:02 how he can also help others and that's why I
01:09:02 --> 01:09:05 was reminded of a wounded healer someone who
01:09:05 --> 01:09:08 goes through their sickness and their pain and
01:09:08 --> 01:09:13 their ailment and they're able to find that cure
01:09:13 --> 01:09:17 and that medicine to heal themselves and in return
01:09:17 --> 01:09:20 heal others Robert is doing a wonderful deed
01:09:20 --> 01:09:24 you heard his explanation with the source completion
01:09:24 --> 01:09:27 therapy the awareness part of it where people
01:09:27 --> 01:09:31 learn to explore and examine and become aware
01:09:31 --> 01:09:34 of the main source of their dysfunctional behaviors
01:09:34 --> 01:09:37 and then you have the second phase that's where
01:09:37 --> 01:09:40 you're learning to relive and re -experience
01:09:40 --> 01:09:43 in vivid details the events and feelings and
01:09:43 --> 01:09:47 the circumstances related to that pain and then
01:09:47 --> 01:09:50 you have the completion which of course is the
01:09:50 --> 01:09:53 purging process and how people are able to find
01:09:53 --> 01:09:56 the strength and learn to directly and effectively
01:09:56 --> 01:09:59 confront those responsible for the pain three
01:09:59 --> 01:10:03 phases his book gets into detail if anybody's
01:10:03 --> 01:10:05 interested i'm going to link his information
01:10:05 --> 01:10:08 in the show notes the title of his book self
01:10:08 --> 01:10:13 -guided exploration give back the pain emotional
01:10:13 --> 01:10:16 healing through source completion therapy and
01:10:16 --> 01:10:18 this is something that has been tried and tested
01:10:18 --> 01:10:22 in his own life and in his practice to help countless
01:10:22 --> 01:10:25 others cleanse and heal from their emotional
01:10:25 --> 01:10:29 wounds robber Thank you again for your kind heart,
01:10:30 --> 01:10:33 your warm, empathetic, and genuine spirit in
01:10:33 --> 01:10:36 that good, good work that you're involved with.
01:10:37 --> 01:10:41 My best to you, yours, and all that you continue
01:10:41 --> 01:10:46 to do. You are a giant amongst us. And of course,
01:10:47 --> 01:10:50 a big thank you to all of you listening. wherever
01:10:50 --> 01:10:53 you're listening from, however you're listening
01:10:53 --> 01:10:56 to the show. I appreciate you inviting us into
01:10:56 --> 01:11:00 your home, into your car, your drive to and from
01:11:00 --> 01:11:03 work, and for you just sharing some of your time
01:11:03 --> 01:11:06 and your day with us. I appreciate it. It's always
01:11:06 --> 01:11:09 good to get a word, letting me know where you're
01:11:09 --> 01:11:12 listening from certain episodes or certain guests
01:11:12 --> 01:11:15 and topics or stories that hit home for you.
01:11:15 --> 01:11:18 I really appreciate that. And if there's anyone
01:11:18 --> 01:11:21 listening, you appreciate the show you appreciate
01:11:21 --> 01:11:24 what we're doing there's a couple of things that
01:11:24 --> 01:11:27 you could do free of charge it's not going to
01:11:27 --> 01:11:30 cost you a dime just a few minutes of your time
01:11:30 --> 01:11:33 you can either write a review or you can leave
01:11:33 --> 01:11:36 a rating on any one of the links that you'll
01:11:36 --> 01:11:39 find in the show notes and it's going to do one
01:11:39 --> 01:11:42 of two things for one it'll help these stories
01:11:42 --> 01:11:45 in this word fall in the ears of new listeners
01:11:45 --> 01:11:49 and another thing it'll do is help us on the
01:11:49 --> 01:11:52 back end just continue to create something that
01:11:52 --> 01:11:55 has meaning something that has value and something
01:11:55 --> 01:11:59 that we can continue to grow and enjoy together
01:11:59 --> 01:12:03 this is a ride that I'm interested in sharing
01:12:03 --> 01:12:07 with you your process as you you grow and develop
01:12:07 --> 01:12:10 and on my end over here evolving and growing
01:12:10 --> 01:12:14 as a human being you know making better choices
01:12:14 --> 01:12:17 making better decisions and that's another big
01:12:17 --> 01:12:20 part of it is just us growing together how do
01:12:20 --> 01:12:25 we change the world? it's by changing our world
01:12:26 --> 01:12:29 and what happens is when we change ourselves
01:12:29 --> 01:12:33 when we change our world that creates that rippling
01:12:33 --> 01:12:36 effect outward into our environment into our
01:12:36 --> 01:12:40 surroundings and starts to create changes and
01:12:40 --> 01:12:42 it starts to shift the dynamics of our environment
01:12:42 --> 01:12:47 you guys be safe out there you guys be sane and
01:12:47 --> 01:12:51 remember you can always be the change you wish
01:12:51 --> 01:12:55 to see We're gonna catch up and we're gonna do
01:12:55 --> 01:12:59 this again real soon It won't be long Before
01:12:59 --> 01:13:03 I go I want to remind anybody that if you would
01:13:03 --> 01:13:07 like to be a part of this show and share Your
01:13:07 --> 01:13:10 story or even a story of someone in your life
01:13:10 --> 01:13:14 that has impacted you in a positive way You could
01:13:14 --> 01:13:19 always reach out to us via email We'd be happy
01:13:19 --> 01:13:26 to connect until next time and very soon. Peace.